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Why Internet Explorer 8 still Sucks Balls
In it’s own words Microsoft promotes IE8 for “professionals as well as those trying CSS and scripting for the first time.“, because of it’s built in tools for debugging purpose. ReadWriteWeb has done a great job promoting IE8, this is what they had to say regarding it’s standard compliance:
There were hints that IE8 would be a remarkable offering on the IE Blog as they released tidbits about the browser’s capabilities. For example, the announcement of IE8′s passing of the Acid2 test (a test for standards compliance) marked a milestone in IE8′s development. The standards mode was originally going to be turned off by default letting web developers code for it by including a “meta” tag to make use of IE8′s new standards compliant mode. Later, Microsoft came to their senses and made the default the standards-compliant mode.
That’s great news. It seems Microsoft has finally done something right, regarding IE, by following web standards; which has been a cause of headache for many web developers and freelancers like me trying to get websites compatible for two different browsers.
Let’s look at some IE8 standard compliance power:
Readwriteweb.com under IE8:
Readwriteweb.com under Firefox: (the way it was supposed to load)
I was trying to load linux.com and it tells you microsoft’s feeling towards open source software by the way it was loading the website:
All off this are reproducible by IE8. Try it at your own risk.
I am sure IE8 has some good new interesting features, but I was busy trying to find problems with it. And you have to admit this was way too easy. Next time I will I will try to point the new features, some of which are quite interesting.
also MAKES you install the malicious software removal tool…WTF
Are these both served up exactly the same, e.g., from local files? Many websites serve special HTML to IE clients because they know IE won’t render it right.
I suspect your websites might be serving up intentionally broken HTML because it thinks it has to render OK in IE7, so you’re not actually looking at IE8′s compliance: you’re really just looking at the IE7-IE8 diff, so seeing lots of crap here is a *good* thing. It means IE8 isn’t broken like IE6/IE7 are.
In case you missed it, this is *beta 1*, and the IE blog has stated that full CSS 2.1 compliance is the goal for the *final* product. They’ve never made any claims that the current beta is compliant, or even any more compliant than IE7 was. It simply shows the directions that they are going.
There’s a great video on channel9.msdn.com with Chris Wilson, where he states that the entire layout engine is brand new. I’d say that what they released this week, having been writtten in the timeframe since IE7 was released, shows tremendous progress. I wonder how long it would take the Firefox or Opera folks to rewrite a CSS 2.1-compliant layout engine from scratch?
I just recently installed IE8 and immediately noticed layout problems as well. It seems to have problems clearing floats, and different types of positioning, makes me wonder how it passed the Acid2 test, hopefully its as hoopskier suggested, that some sites are serving up broken pages to IE8?
So now do we want IE8 Team to revert their decision to “Go Strict Standards First”?
OH RIGHT, we not COMPLAIN about BROKEN PAGES and then accuse IE8.
THINK, THINK, MY FRIEND!!!
Your pages are broken simply because they contain non-standard stuff we used to put into to make them compliant with different browsers.
When IE8 Team made the 2nd decision, the Idealists at WaSP rejoiced. BUT OH NO, the Pragmatists at WindowHaxor.NET frowned.
Now we have DOUBLE STANDARDS to deal with!
So which one is it going to be?
Decision 1: IE8 accomodate already-exisiting web page code, resulting in Happy amateur HTML/CSS coders?
- OR -
Decision 2: IE8 be a strict police and render pages as they should like Acid2?
I think the real kicker is that Microsoft won’t make IE8 available to OSses below XP.
This might seem amateurish to suggest, but a huge problem right now is all the IE5.5 and IE6 lingering around.
I would really be happy if these people were finally given an update, even if they didn’t buy the latest OS. When you consider they can get Firefox and other alternatives for free, Microsoft has no reason NOT to do this!
It would also alleviate a lot of the tension amongst developers to have a more recent browser offered down to the users who are resistant to change.
Keep in mind however, IE8 the way it is now is just setting up for these problems all over again a few years down the road. They need to realize the web changes and sort out updates to accommodate that.
That and they may want to consider not making such bad software if they plan on depriving people of updates.
as a web developer IE7 and IE8 SUCK
IE6 is fine… just leave it alone … comon or use firefox, safari or opera.. this is just annoying MICROSOFT…………………
Try IE 8 with google maps! See or I’m sorry, was I supposed to turn there? And why won’t it do updates? It is still acting as if I’m on IE 6!
Hey guys, IE 8 Beta 2 is coming soon…..
It has got many features like
1.Better Crash Recovery tool
2.Better java script performance
3.Better startup performance
4.Better security
5.Many Bug fixed
and more…..
This IE8 Beta 2 is stil suckss !!!!
I try to copy from and paste in the address bar, but it crash ! everytime i try to paste from clipboard to the address !!
This IE8 Beta 2 is sucks in multitab !
I think Microsoft release sucks to us !
I tried IE8 and it lasted about 25 seconds before it crashed.
IE8, like it’s predecessors, definately sucks balls. It hasn’t solved any of the major problems that IE7 has in spades as the example in this article demonstrates.
Hopefully Google will take on MS head on with their new Chrome browser and put IE where it belongs; in the graveyard.
Many sites crash with IE 8 beta 2, especially the Javascrips in them.
That’s bad.
So it really (still) sucks.
I don’t care why, I just uninstall that thing.
Mike
as a front-end coder, i am not looking forward to IE8. in fact im terrified. go fuck yourself microsoft.
Only fanboys diss beta software.
Yep…it butchered my websites. Not only does it not do the simplest things well, it STILL has not incorporated what open source alternatives have pretty much made expected standards among savvy web surfers. And IE8 still uses far too much screen space.
For anyone wailing on us critics for being hard on beta level software…come on! Microsoft is a billion dollar company and IE fails at what other, more light weight alternatives mastered back in 1998…don’t hide behind “beta” for that…sheesh.
Is it faster than IE 7?
Can’t test it myself because I fixed my Windows problem with a “ERASE C:*.*” command on my MacBook. I feel better now.
So is it faster?
dear, oh dear, oh dear. IE 8 is a pile of crap.
Google analytics doesn’t display properly, Drupal doesn’t display properly when editing / creating. Web pages display incorrectly and it crashes frequently.
With Vista blowing chunks IE 8 needed / needs to work properly. At the moment it is just awful to use and has pushed me firmly to using Firefox and Chrome.
With all the money Microsoft has, they must be paying their developers peanuts if all they can come up with it this pile of shite.
It still freezes and crashes when I’m either downloading or searching multiple pages or just have multiple tabs up!
I’m for sure that at this point people have already decided and know that MS can’t make a decent IE; so they all are going back to Firefox!
I hope their not paying these people top dollar, cause if so? These developers need to be fired and replace with people who know what their doing! They go to school for a reason jeez
…more cool MSIE 8 features:
6.Better Crashes
7.Better java script non-performance
8.Better startup error messages
9.Better insecurity
10.Many typo fixed
and even more…
IE8… Wow, what a train wreck! Simply put. I prefer IE7, and that isn’t saying too much! Ha!
What a disaster. I just installed the new ie8 yesterday and it is unusable….still! I use a java-based web app for my job throughout the day and the it mistypes every other word, locks up and it just unusable.
Even though Firefox has display problems sometimes, it’s still better than having to retype everything over and over.
“Thursday, February 12, 2009
A year ago Microsoft announced (through A List Apart) that standards compliant websites would be forced to opt into a standards rendering mode in IE8. The uproar from the web standards community was loud and clear: the default should always be render in standards compliancy mode. Microsoft backed down.
So it is with considerably surprise and anger to read that Microsoft have quietly gone back to their original position. The gist of it is if you want to be sure your site renders in standards compliant mode in IE, you have to explicitly opt into it. Otherwise you risk being blacklisted and thrown into IE7 Compatibility mode.”
http://www.isolani.co.uk/blog/standards/Ie8BlacklistForcingStandardsRenderingOptIn
Freezes on me, way to slow, buttons are not movable, general all around ugly looking, file menu in wrong place, slow to load, piece of junk. Restoring disk image back to xp with IE 6. I dont use IE6 only when i have to but i use firefox and it blows this piece of doggy doo doo right out the water.
The other day IE8 finally was release no more beta or RC1 crap but guess what the thing does not work all it does is crash and crash it won’t open any websites at all you click on it and bam the program has to close to be protected from viruses then how the hell is anyone is going to surf the net if the damn program is affraid of viruses
is just stupid so it got delete it hey MICROSOFT fix the damn thing more then a year waiting and it sucks
IE is the best!!!
I’ve tried Mozilla, but I had plugin problems.
I’ve tried Safari, but it doesn’t respond to my e-mails for surfing.
I’ve tried Chrome, it has some MAJOR plugin and streaming video problems, but it looks the best, but it sucks the MOST.
I always download these thinking of leaving IE, but I ALWAYS end up going back to IE.
I recently installed IE8, and so far loving it. No problems, it’s perfect.
1) Can’t play Yahoo Pool
2) Adblock Pro icon inaccessible
I can understand Microsoft not being aware of a particular Adblock Pro incompatibility, but Yahoo Pool?
They’ve had how long to work on this thing, and they didn’t make sure it would be compatible with Yahoo Pool, or at least inform Yahoo of potential problems pre-release?
Oh yeah, after rollback to IE7, History is now permanently blank. What a load.
IE8…yeah right, what a fucking joke. Waste of time. Now give me my Firefox back. NOW.
IE8, forever baby. It’s the only way to fly.
IE8 rocks
IE8 sucks monkey nutts!
IE sucks. The author sucks. FUCK YOU FOR PROMOTING MICROSOFTS GARBAGE
Wtf I installed ie8 today and 30 seconds later im getting crashes on most websites I visit.
Back to firefox for me
ie8 sucks donkey balls!!!!!!
Most of the websites I visited crashes too. ie8 sucks!
Lot’s of problems with IE8, beta and official release. Lockups, freezeups, dual entries in Task Man. What a horrible program. Removed and dumbed down windoze to IE7.
Firefox forever!
most of you people posting bad things about IE8 probably already have viruses… never defragmented their harddrives… have tons of spyware and surf too much porn…..
Works perfect for me…. im on a nice clean system!
Wow… the guy above me…you sound like such a newbie…
This is not even talking about security issues..
Why dont u read, and then post?
Honestly I was about to install this thing, but I believe ill stick to Firefox and Chrome…even tho chrome sucks balls too in many aspects.
Had to go back to Netscape 4.79 to find out why IE8 did not work on Vista Home Premium. Forced compliance sounds like “THEY” know what is best for US. Restored back to IE7 because IE8 would not display ANY websites. They all need to go back to Netscape 4.79 and start over…it works.
ANYONE KNOW WHY IE8 SCREWS UP MY SHORTCUT ICONS?
windows update installs to ie8 a few days ago. its much more laggy when opening multiple tabs, which i do alot. and sometimes doesn’t even load the pages in them. i always stuck with ie as it came with windows but now this latest attempt has finally made me see the light and tryout firefox. if it aint broken why break it?
Well I’m a professional web developer and a biiiiiiig fan of Microsoft but honest to God IE is one single product out of Redmond which is a nightmare. When I design a website I think of something then I code the xhtml and css. When I run, Firefox displays it EXACTLY the way I imagined but IE almost never does. And I don’t talk about my mistake but obvious IE bugs which always pop out specially when your design is sofisticated. And worse. I had something fine in IE 8 Beta but now is broken in IE 8 Final!! When I’m done with my design I usually spend times to fix it in IE 6, IE 7, 8 Beta, RC and Final!!! And yes nothing may show up in a simple website design like the ones you see all the times. But try to design something with ultra graphics where you want pixel accuracy. Firefox by faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar WWWIIIIIINNNSSSS!!!! It just does it! IE never!
I’m talking banging my head against the wall! CM’N!! You can do better than that!
Guys at Redmond! You better do something about it or you’ll disappoint many faithful fans!
IE 8 SUCKS! Big time. I took the automatic update and installed 8 and even the first time I used it I hated it! One after another they are screwing up the IE connections guess it’s time to stop using it!
Something as simple as the FIND tool – and they fucked that up too. Jesus christ, seriously, they fucked up the “FIND” tool. Now they got this stupid toolbar version that sucks arse.
It doesnt even fucking work!
FUCK!
It fucking sucks arse! +1
I love IE8! They’re making some great advancements. This will definitely prove Firefox and Opera as inferior browsers. You gotta give Bill Greats credit for inventing the tabbed browsing in IE7.
And yeah, it’s in beta version. So maybe it will have some problems displaying things correctly, but who cares? It’s still far more secure than the insecure opensource browsers. The programming tools are such an advancement as well, haven’t ever heard of that in Firefox or Opera, have you?
Downloaded IE8 a few days ago. NIGHTMARE! Won’t open websites.. I go to several times daily. So SLOW my system is at a stand still.
WTF… I really HATE Microsoft right now. You have waisted hours and hours of my time you loser, lazy idiots!!!!!
effing fix it you dorks!
How long untill the fixes… I am SICK AND TIRED of being a MS guinea pig… release something out of the box that WORKS. How many hours and hours upon hours do I have to wait for fixes and downloads onto my system… sometimes to make it worse… then suffering for days upon weeks untill a fix comes. THIS HAS GOT TO STOP.. VISTA SUCKS IE8 SUCKS….
We should file a class action suite…. get me a lawyer..
New internet explorer 8 BLOWS! My computer was fine until i installed the new explorer… What a joke. at times i cant even open the browser it just shows a blank white screen then the end task box comes up… what a joke
IE 8 sucks! It’s slow, doesn’t display all webpages correctly and there is NO choice to bring up a blank tab! Stupid! Just give me a browser that is fast at surfing the web and stick the extra crap!!!
How could they release IE8 with so many bugs. Mac users must be laughing thier ass off. Many of my programs such as Protools, an industry standard, wouldn’t load. What a headache. Firefox is the way to go for me now, and I think chrome will takeover in the future.
Microsoft has some really lousy product development teams. You have to be a complete idiot to load anyting new on to a machine you need to use. This has been going on for years. I remember downloading IE 3.0 when it came out. It immeadiatly crashed my machine to the point where a complete reinstall was needed. A year or two later it was described as “more virus than program”. I agree with one of the above posts that perhapts a good class action lawsuit for false advertisement leading to damages by those justifiably relying on them might get the dip sticks to pull there heads out of their poorly debuged drivers. Opps forgot! didn’t they put Netscape out of business only to lose the copywrite law suit to Netscape. And as for Bill Gates. well he did bring computing to the masses, (thats frigging monster all time huge give it up for the boy) but I don’t recall anything he develped from scratch including dos although he did say “Why would anyone ever need more than 128k of memory.” And doesn’t the service pacs for Vista work great, well sometimes in about 2hours each if at all.
Go slow with Microslop. XP now works really well.
IE8 is standards compliant… by cheating.. again. Page not loading correctly in IE8? Let ie8 render it again with the old ie7 engine
yay?
NO
it also breaks:
adblockpro
and
IEpro
I seem to have tons of problems with IE8 crashing (and then recovering) or locking up, particularly on banner ads and such. I really got tired of it so I installed Firefox AND Chrome and started doing side by side comparisons. Both are consistently faster than IE8 and I have experienced far fewer locks and crashes (almost none on Chrome.) While I have some issues with both browsers, mostly interface and file handling, it sure beats watching the IE8 load circle spin for ages.
And I love this page recovery thing IE8 has. “Yes, I would like to go back to the same page that started my problem so I can experience the whole thing all over again.”
Damn the comments are funny.
“Fuuuck Fucking Fuck sucks fuck blows”
And it’s funny cause it’s true
Yep, Sucks all your genitals big time.
Microsoft, is this some kind of joke?
I can only conclude that some moles from Apple have infiltrated the IE team with the purpose of putting Micro$haft out of business.
On XP Pro, SP3 with 2GB, it goes to 90% processor usage and stays there until I kill it.
Linux, here I come!
IE8 SUCKS ARSE!!!! Pages don’t open correctly, Constantly Crashing, Page Not Responding!!! WTF MICROSOFT…. Total Garbage!!!
The blowhard idiot who said MS invented tabbing with IE7 needs to shoot himself in the face immediately. Tabbed browsing existed ling before Bill Gates thought about ripping it off. It was in Opera and FF for quite some time..and in other browsers.
IE8 still sucks. And while writing up standard compliant CSS/XHTML and checking it in FF to see it appear as expected, then loading it in IE8 to see it fuck up…does not surprise most of us. IE is still the most inferior browser on the market. A browser for monkeys and retards who don’t know any better than to click the “e” on their computer to get to the internet. Pathetic piece of shit IE still is.
Internet Explorer is a total bullshit. The more it gets upgraded, less the pages are rendered ? As a web developer since over 12 years I can’t implement about 95 % of awesome scripts based on jquery, mootools or other simply because IE 6/7/8 won’t render them correctly even if the htm/css code w3c validate properly in any flavours… In 90 % of cases, Firefox, Opera, and even Safari manage to render correctly the stuff.
The reason why our www is still looking like crap is just because of ie… What is this actually ? Mozilla is open source so IE team could grab a copy and rebuild ie within secs on top of it ? It is ok with me an few other web developers I guess… I will consider this as a smart move rather than a shame, no problem. And for people posting they are loving ie, I see that as a joke to see how we will react, because I honestly can’t imagine any end-user or developer being that much satisfied by the most “anti-creative” browser ever maintained.
Star Date, August 27th 2009… and hmmm eerrr …IE8 still blows!
i love firefox and IE 6 but not IE 8 IT SUCKS
I have given up on IE still the same problems as before. After 2 days my home page at http://www.my.yahoo.com disappears along with my save links to my youtube pages . It is totallly annoying . TG for firefox.
This fucking piece of shit software sucks cock big time
Motherfuckers
What a fuckign piece of shit. Fucking motherfucking whorecunt thing locks multiple times
Fuck them motherrfuckers
the motherfuckers were fucking their whore mothers obviously while developing this whore piece of shit software
Fucking motherfucking pig fucks motherfucking cocksuckign whoresons fuckers
What a fucking piece of fucking shit this fucking IE is
Fuck those motherfuckers
Jesus!!! tell this assholes BILL DIDN’T INVENT TABBED BROWSING…. yeesh are you getting paid or what? if i remember well it was opera! OPERA!!! got it? thereafter we had firefox, safari,and everyone else including that feature, do your research before posting such stupid comments FALSE COMMENTS!
Nothing like a 1990′s style hard-coded user interface where the user CANNOT move ALL “toolbar” elements and items TO WHERE THE USER WANTS THEM – *ALL* ON THE SAME LINE WITH THE “MENU” IF SO DESIRED. It’s like going backward 10 years. What MF@#$% idiots. NO OPTIONS to use the former/previous (simple) (non real estate wasting) (IE6) style user interface. Used to be software engineering first, UI 2nd, now it’s multimedia bastards, mouse-hover, mouse-over fancy-a$$ UI-crap bastards galore. WTF. I’ll use FireF*** for now.
Explorer 8 sucks big time. Constantly hangs, never loads, errors all over the place, constantly has to fix errors and close the program, what a piece of shit this software is. I’ve gone to Firefox and it works much better.
Internet explorer sucks balls.
It really burns my conole that they want people learning css to use it,
Had IE6,,downloadwd IE8 and I can’t look at a FU(^ing thing ! ,It Imformation bars me to death about site I’ve been with for years and HTTPS the crap out of me !! Stops my pay pal,my normal sites ,exit a site akks 2-3 times if I want to Proceed bla bal & bla,,MICROSOFT YOUR IE8-BLOWS >>
I KNEW if I typed IE8 SUCKS into a search engine, I’d find ALOT of pissed off people like myself. This is now 2010 and in reality there ISN’T “ONE” really decent browser out there. IE just gets worse with EACH “new” release, while ALL other browsers “get it”, well at least I don’t see them getting “worse” as updates become available.
The idea here is to BUILD upon and IMPROVE what you have ALREADY developed…
IE8 is SLOWER, is NOT able to render pages correctly (in fact, structurally WORSE), BASIC design layouts that USED to display correctly in IE7 now don’t (I’m talking about a BASIC logo at the top of a page, followed by a BASIC horizontal navigation bar with 4-5 links, NOW has about a 5-10 pixel HORIZONTAL SPACE “separating” the two) that wasn’t there in IE7 and is NOT there in Firefox or Chrome. You CANNOT get rid of it either.
The reason I’m blowing a fuse tonight is because I went to a website, the browser went into the ALL TOO FAMILIAR “not-responding” mode and I couldn’t close the website or do ANYTHING ELSE either with ANY of the other 3-4 IE8 windows I had open (Multi-tab my ass!), so I finally right-clicked and “closed” THAT “specific” browser window and I LOST ALL OF THE OTHER WINDOWS AS WELL!!!! I really did NOT want to lose ANY of the other windows whatsoever but NOW they are ALL GONE!!!! FUCK IE8!!! In fact, I may NEVER use it again, that fucking piece of shit… and that little green circle going round and round while waiting ALL fucking day for a page to load… FUCK THAT TOO!!! Oh yea, WHY the FUCK do I have to delete a history item ONE FUCKING ITEM AT A TIME??? You USED to be ABLE to open your history (AND THE FUCKING THING WOULD STAY THE FUCK “OPEN” WHILE you were removing items NOT CLOSE after EACK FUCKING ONE… WHO’S fucking brainstorm was that???
Oh Yea, WHY CAN’T I “click” (& highlight) the website URL and then click Edit and “COPY” ANYMORE??? You USED to be ABLE to do that in IE7… WHO’S fucking brainstorm was THAT???
THIS is WHAT I’m talking about… Going BACKWARDS!!!
Microsoft is one of the RICHEST COMPANIES on the fucking PLANET and this is the “best” shit they could come up with??? For something that is used by probably billions of people DAILY??? WTF already, this browser should be a NUMBER ONE PRIORITY, FUCK the OS… and STOP coming out with a new OS every fucking year too, FIX the FUCKING BROWSER ALREADY and guess what??? MORE people will BUY your next OS release. GET a fucking CLUE over there…
I’m all better now that I got that shit off my shoulder… WTF…
Let try to see this another way.
I go read HOWTO, on how to make a little web page. I will make my self a very little page to say : “Hello World”
after i complete i go check my result into 5 popular browser i know.
1- all work good
2- all work good
3- all work good
4- all work good
5- my page has exploded.
So i ask my self , maybe i did not read the correct guide to build a little web page since into the browser 5 the page explode.
But after many many reading … i found that my first way is supposed to be the only way and the good way, but i’m still screw with browser 5.
As you can see i did not name any browser here … but why do the fuck everyone know witch browser i’m talking about?
So please STOP taking the defense of the browser 5 , it bad for dev , bad for user, bad for OS, bad for the world , bad for the evolution , bad for the compliance , bad for the rendering , bad for the security , BAD FOR YOU.
IE8 does indeed suck balls. I installed it because IE6 was really starting to suck balls. IE8 was slow as molasses so I did the tweaking to make it as fast as possible and it did improve a little. But compared to Opera and Chrome it is a total joke. Forget the fact that they changed the way it saves favorites by not remembering previous folder – that is minor compared to the way it leaks memory and takes 30 seconds to render pages with javascript. At certain sites I can watch the memory go down until IE crashes taking the OS (XP SP3 – and yes, I installed the service pack first) with it usually. Then there are the pages that take forever to load and even when they finally do the pages don’t scroll smoothly but jerk and stall. Are you kidding us Microsoft? Why don’t you clowns get your act together? You’re going to be left behind in the dust! And I can’t use IE9 on XP? Not that I expect IE9 to improve on any of these problems. Don’t bother trying to tell me that there is something wrong with my machine or the pages I visit because I have tried all these pages in Opera, Chrome and Firefox and they don’t have the problems that IE does. Opera is a gem of a browser – it’s faster than any of them and renders without problems and OH!, LOOK!, I’ve been using Opera for an hour and I still have the same amount of RAM as when I started! Opera is now my default browser and I am a hair away from moving to Linux permanently. AHHHH! I feel so much better! Thanx for listening. Does anybody know how to permanently remove IE from XP? Thanx!!!
IE8 is peace of fucking shit i got 4 dell computers seting in my floor brand new and ie8 crashed all 4 computers over that godamn ie8
every since i install that damn crap i alway get error ie6 crashed don’t even have ie6 can’t fix that damn error you can’t uninstall ie8 can’t go back to ie7 with out it crashing every time you open fucking folder
they need dump that peace shit software ie8
IE8 is the biggest load of bollocks on the planet, it won’t go for more then 5 minutes without crashing, it take numerous attempts to log into my hotmail, as it just stops midway through, it contantly stops and tells me internet explorer is not responding, just last week i was playing roulette online i had quite a bit of money on the board and it just stopped in the middle of the game and said it wasn’t responding, luckily i didn’t loose any of the money i had won, but i could have and when it finally does work it says done but with errors on page, you would have thought that that one of the biggest names in I.T could make a decent web browser wouldn’t you but obviously they can’t!!!